Mark Spizzirri: Was Bobby Ryan the bold acquisition Ken Holland needed this summer?

Holland can't give up any 1st rd picks. Detroit hasn't drafted well in the past 6 or so years, unprecedented from the 90s and early 2000s. With the team getting older, those prospects and picks have to be kept. but I will give you sens did steal b ryan, thought he should've cost a bit more, especially when he's affordable next season when koivu and selanne are gone for good.

Holland can't give up any 1st rd picks. Detroit hasn't drafted well in the past 6 or so years, unprecedented from the 90s and early 2000s. With the team getting older, those prospects and picks have to be kept. but I will give you sens did steal b ryan, thought he should've cost a bit more, especially when he's affordable next season when koivu and selanne are gone for good.
- kovey27

Well Nyquist and Tatar are both good players and will only get better. Tomas Jurco has great hands and speed, with some size he could be the next Datsuyk. If that is not good enough who needs picks anyways when you can bring in Key players like Brunner and Dekeyser anyways?

Holland can't give up any 1st rd picks. Detroit hasn't drafted well in the past 6 or so years, unprecedented from the 90s and early 2000s. With the team getting older, those prospects and picks have to be kept. but I will give you sens did steal b ryan, thought he should've cost a bit more, especially when he's affordable next season when koivu and selanne are gone for good.
- kovey27

While I don't think the Ryan trade was as one-sided as you do, Murray was in a precarious situation with Bobby in that he was almost certain going to leave in 2 years unless he got Getzlaf and Perry money and the Ducks couldn't afford that. Unless Ottawa's ownership finds some money, Bobby will be gone from there when his contract is up.
Mark, if Detroit was willing to part with a decent, young center, Holland could have had Ryan. That's what the Ducks originally wanted for him from The Sens. In fact. I'll bet Murray would have traded Ryan for Darren Helm straight up. But the main reason the deal was done with Ottawa was Noesen. The Ducks really like him and were going to draft him until the Sens got him right before the Ducks did.

Well Nyquist and Tatar are both good players and will only get better. Tomas Jurco has great hands and speed, with some size he could be the next Datsuyk. If that is not good enough who needs picks anyways when you can bring in Key players like Brunner and Dekeyser anyways?
- Kalimaze

I didn't rip on those prospects, nyquist will be a star. it was a good move to keep them

While I don't think the Ryan trade was as one-sided as you do, Murray was in a precarious situation with Bobby in that he was almost certain going to leave in 2 years unless he got Getzlaf and Perry money and the Ducks couldn't afford that. Unless Ottawa's ownership finds some money, Bobby will be gone from there when his contract is up.
Mark, if Detroit was willing to part with a decent, young center, Holland could have had Ryan. That's what the Ducks originally wanted for him from The Sens. In fact. I'll bet Murray would have traded Ryan for Darren Helm straight up. But the main reason the deal was done with Ottawa was Noesen. The Ducks really like him and were going to draft him until the Sens got him right before the Ducks did.
- duxcup07

the trade suited both squads, we never know what the offers are. Anaheim was starting to panic and wanted value before he leaves for free, the best player in the deal usually wins. Holland will be one of the best gms in history, you guys are lucky to have him and babcock

Mark Spizzirri: Was Bobby Ryan the bold acquisition Ken Holland needed this summer?
- spity1

cool story bro

I didn't rip on those prospects, nyquist will be a star. it was a good move to keep them
- kovey27

No did not rip on them. But that is decent drafting in my book.

I used to be big on the trade-for-Bobby bandwagon but after this offseason I'm fine without him. Keep bringing this band of kids up and IF ANYTHING trade one of the young guns for a blueliner. Rent Alfie for this season and sign one of the BIG fish FA's coming around next summer.

This team is deep enough up front and from a pure hockey standpoint trading for Ryan isn't necessary. That blue line however, very suspect. Surprised they haven't made any trades yet for a d-man honestly.

GO WINGS

Holland can't give up any 1st rd picks. Detroit hasn't drafted well in the past 6 or so years, unprecedented from the 90s and early 2000s. With the team getting older, those prospects and picks have to be kept. but I will give you sens did steal b ryan, thought he should've cost a bit more, especially when he's affordable next season when koivu and selanne are gone for good.
- kovey27

This has to be a joke or you don't follow the Wings much. Holland gave a 1st round pick for Quincey so there goes that first statement. Wings prospect pool hasn't been this deep since the early 90's with plenty of forward prospects, even more defense prospects that some might start off in Toledo because they don't have room for them all in the AHL and Mrazek, Paterson and Coreau as their goalie prospects. They might not have the instant superstar prospects that some get early in the draft but they have done very well the last few years stocking their prospect pool with good draft picks later in the drafts.

Jurco the next Datsyuk!!??!! That's the most ridiculous thing I've seen on a non Leafs thread. You know who also used to have pretty good hands in Jr? Robbie Shremp! Hands don't make a player.

I used to be big on the trade-for-Bobby bandwagon but after this offseason I'm fine without him. Keep bringing this band of kids up and IF ANYTHING trade one of the young guns for a blueliner. Rent Alfie for this season and sign one of the BIG fish FA's coming around next summer.

This team is deep enough up front and from a pure hockey standpoint trading for Ryan isn't necessary. That blue line however, very suspect. Surprised they haven't made any trades yet for a d-man honestly.

GO WINGS
- mschmidt5919

Agreed our blueline is in need of some work. But i believe we only need 1 key piece.

Quite fine with the Wings not getting Ryan. Alfie is a good stop gap until some of their youngsters are ready or run out of waiver exemption and have to be in the NHL or lose them on waivers. Wings have a lot of scoring wingers in the system and will need the room soon enough for some of them. I'm fine with the Wings offense for this season.

Offense from the defense worries me more than the forwards for this season. I'm already puking at the thought of Sammy playing the point of the PP and we all know he's likely going to be there because even though he sucks donkey balls at it, he's a right handed shot and that gives him a free pass to PP time in Detroit just because of it. Can't wait for one of Sproul, Jensen, Marchenko to be ready so Babcock stops using poopty right handed forwards on the points of the PP just to have a right handed shot out there. Hell I would rather see them or even Frk or Pulkkinen on the point of the PP this season (even if they are not NHL ready) than Sammy.

Mark if the Wings could have bought out Sammy this summer, I think they would have. He let it be known that he could fight it because of his injury and the Wings knew they were stuck with him so they didn't try to buy him out.

Getting Weiss and Alfie wasn't enough? You have 15 forwards on your roster right now without Nyquist and only 312k in capspace. Getting Ryan too is a little over-board don't you think?

Plus Ottawa's deal was much better than everything you said in that entire article.

I think the Sens package was more appealing, the one that you proposed wasnt bad and has fair value. But its always tricky to rate Red Wing prospects, they are great bc they are being developed in your organization, and come along slowly until they prime to make the roster.

wait till next year when you guys sign the Sedin Twins, or a recalim project like Heatley or Vanek.

Would have been nice to get Bobby Ryan but not at the price the Senators paid for him.

Getting Weiss and Alfie wasn't enough? You have 15 forwards on your roster right now without Nyquist and only 312k in capspace. Getting Ryan too is a little over-board don't you think?

Plus Ottawa's deal was much better than everything you said in that entire article.
- t_leafs21

This is why it would be necessary to include some other roster players in a deal (say Samuelson and Quincey) instead of just prospects. You can see why the Ducks took the Ottawa deal instead.

Quite fine with the Wings not getting Ryan. Alfie is a good stop gap until some of their youngsters are ready or run out of waiver exemption and have to be in the NHL or lose them on waivers. Wings have a lot of scoring wingers in the system and will need the room soon enough for some of them. I'm fine with the Wings offense for this season.

Offense from the defense worries me more than the forwards for this season. I'm already puking at the thought of Sammy playing the point of the PP and we all know he's likely going to be there because even though he sucks donkey balls at it, he's a right handed shot and that gives him a free pass to PP time in Detroit just because of it. Can't wait for one of Sproul, Jensen, Marchenko to be ready so Babcock stops using poopty right handed forwards on the points of the PP just to have a right handed shot out there. Hell I would rather see them or even Frk or Pulkkinen on the point of the PP this season (even if they are not NHL ready) than Sammy.

Mark if the Wings could have bought out Sammy this summer, I think they would have. He let it be known that he could fight it because of his injury and the Wings knew they were stuck with him so they didn't try to buy him out.
- dcz28

Hopefully having Alfie on the point will keep Sammy off of it. Hopefully having Alfie will keep Sammy off the roster entirely and some sucker will take him in a trade.

This has to be a joke or you don't follow the Wings much. Holland gave a 1st round pick for Quincey so there goes that first statement. Wings prospect pool hasn't been this deep since the early 90's with plenty of forward prospects, even more defense prospects that some might start off in Toledo because they don't have room for them all in the AHL and Mrazek, Paterson and Coreau as their goalie prospects. They might not have the instant superstar prospects that some get early in the draft but they have done very well the last few years stocking their prospect pool with good draft picks later in the drafts.
- dcz28

ya and i'm sure he wished he kept that 1st. the prospect pool is nothing special, below average if you follow the whole league.

Holland can't give up any 1st rd picks. Detroit hasn't drafted well in the past 6 or so years, unprecedented from the 90s and early 2000s. With the team getting older, those prospects and picks have to be kept. but I will give you sens did steal b ryan, thought he should've cost a bit more, especially when he's affordable next season when koivu and selanne are gone for good.
- kovey27

To say we havent drafted well in 6 years is about the most ignorant thing you could say. You obviously know very little about the sport if you believe what you wrote. Just because they dont have a lot of NHLers from recent years doesnt mean they drafted poorly. Datsyuk had to wait 4 years after being drafted until he came up to the NHL, and thats after he went undrafted 2 years in a row.

ya and i'm sure he wished he kept that 1st. the prospect pool is nothing special, below average if you follow the whole league.
- kovey27

Didnt the wings prospects just win a championship? Tatar won playoff MVP, and Nyquist was leading the league in scoring before being brought up. they have a SUPERB goalie prospect, and SEVERAL young guys, jurco, pulkkinen, jarnkrok, who are just getting into NA hockey, but should be able to be impact players immediately for their teams. Several NHL GMs agree, but I am sure you know more than them.

No did not rip on them. But that is decent drafting in my book.
- Kalimaze

I have high standards in Detroit because of a great gm. yes you have a few quality prospects, but below average compared to the rest of the league. Team will be good this year, adding alfie and Weiss was huge, those signings really pissed me off!

Didnt the wings prospects just win a championship? Tatar won playoff MVP, and Nyquist was leading the league in scoring before being brought up. they have a SUPERB goalie prospect, and SEVERAL young guys, jurco, pulkkinen, jarnkrok, who are just getting into NA hockey, but should be able to be impact players immediately for their teams. Several NHL GMs agree, but I am sure you know more than them.
- Sulli03

winning or having a great AHL team doesn't make squat, ask tampa

I have high standards in Detroit because of a great gm. yes you have a few quality prospects, but below average compared to the rest of the league. Team will be good this year, adding alfie and Weiss was huge, those signings really pissed me off!
- kovey27

Well you would be wrong again. Go look at ANY prospect report and you will find detroit in the top of the league. Their prospect pool is better than most, that isnt even a debate, you are just flat out wrong to say otherwise.

Well you would be wrong again. Go look at ANY prospect report and you will find detroit in the top of the league. Their prospect pool is better than most, that isnt even a debate, you are just flat out wrong to say otherwise.
- Sulli03

Hockeysfuture ranks you 11th and they say your top prospects are:
1. Brendan Smith, D; 2. Gustav Nyquist, LW; 3. Petr Mrazek, G; 4. Tomas Tatar, LW; 5. Calle Jarnkrok, C.

Not a bad list, but I think if they were in any other organization they wouldnt be ranked so high, its just the Wings ability to develop that makes them so appealing bc you know they will reach their potential